Damnable heresies invading the Church

by: marsha west | published: 05 25, 2010

A large number of Christians are unaware that literally truck loads of counterfeit Christians have gained access to pulpits, wormed their way into Church leadership, Christian organizations and are deeply entrenched in the so-called Christian entertainment industry. Call them what you will--false teachers/prophets, liberals/progressives, cultists, misinformed, misled, even looney tunes--the one thing they all have in common is that they have strayed from the truth.

Unbiblical teaching has been going on since the early church took root. Peter cautioned that “there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (2 Peter 2:1).

Today there is a damnable heresy in the Church that many Christians haven’t yet heard of: The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) a.k.a. Dominionism/ Kingdom Now/Replacement Theology. Those who disagree with their false gospel must be removed through intense “spiritual warfare” and by raising up a “new breed “of Christian they call an “Army of God.”

The NAR is not new at all. Only the name has been changed—many times—to fool people into thinking there is a “New Wave” or a “Paradigm Shift” taking place in Christendom. Over the years they have dubbed themselves Joel’s Army, Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God, and the list goes on. They’re ushering in “a reformation greater in scale than the reformation of the 1500's.”

A liberal pundit lamented that NAR is on a mission to “take control of communities and nations through large networks of 'prayer warriors' whose spiritual warfare is used to expel and destroy the demons that cause societal ills. Once the territorial demons, witches, and generational curses are removed, the 'born-again' Christians…take control of society." http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/115813/98

The concept of spiritual warfare comes from the Bible. It warns of invisible beings who want to harm us and advises us to put on armor (spiritual armor) in order to ward off their vicious attacks. Problem is, the way in which NAR practices spiritual warfare is both unorthodox and extra-biblical. First of all, they teach three levels of spiritual warfare:

"Ground-level" involves casting demons out of individuals; "occult-level warfare" involves more organized "powers of darkness" [They target here New Age thought, Tibetan Buddhism, Freemasonry, etc.]; and "strategic-level warfare" directly "confronts 'territorial spirits' assigned by Satan to coordinate activities over a geographical area." http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html#warfare

In addition, they carry out other extra-biblical practices such as “binding Satan,” “rebuking demonic spirits,” “tearing down strongholds,” and “taking control of cities and situations.”

Why go to all the trouble (and expense) of demolishing demonic strongholds, even if such things do exist, when the Bible teaches that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is sufficient for demolishing strongholds! (2 Cor 10:3-5).

Liberals/progressives actually fear born again Christians who hold a place of power, have political influence, and are well-connected. One reason the Left hated George W. Bush is because he purported to be a born again Christian. For daring to openly profess his faith in Jesus Christ, liberal elitists labeled him a religious zealot. The liberal press relish portraying individuals who professes a belief in Christ as not the sharpest knife in the tool shed. Never mind that a number of our Founding Fathers, who most will concede were brilliant men, were born again Christians. But I digress.

Now it seems liberals have a bit of anxiety over “movement operative’s” plans to take dominion:

“The movement's notion of ‘spiritual warfare’ has spread from the California suburbs to an East-Coast inner city, and has impacted policy decisions in the developing world. Movement operatives are well-connected enough to have testified before Congress and to have received millions of dollars in government abstinence-only sex-education grants, and bizarre enough to maintain that in its prototype communities, the movement has healed AIDS, purified polluted streams and even grown huge vegetables.” http://tinyurl.com/22ntm2o

Note: Michelle Obama is growing huge veggies in her garden at the White House.

With all due respect, most progressives/liberals haven’t the foggiest idea what spiritual warfare even means. What they don’t quite “get” is that spiritual warfare is a metaphor for what is taking place in the invisible realm. The Bible tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world until Christ returns to judge the world. Moreover, the demonic forces control the minds of individuals. Jesus said to the Pharisees: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it” (John 8:44). What does this mean? John Wesley explains:

He was a murderer - In inclination, from the beginning - Of his becoming a devil; and abode not in the truth - Commencing murderer and liar at the same time. And certainly he was a killer of men (as the Greek word properly signifies) from the beginning of the world: for from the very creation he designed and contrived the ruin of men. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own - For he is the proper parent, and, as it were, creator of it. See the origin not only of lies, but of evil in general!

Suffice it to say that Satan and his demons influence people’s thinking--and not in a good way. Since Bible-believing Christians hold that the devil exists, we prepare ourselves for battle by putting on the “armor of God.” (Eph 6:10-19) (Learn how to get dressed for battle by clicking here.) We are commanded to be discerning: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

Let us apply this principle to dominionists.

The movement is made up of Charismatics and Pentecostals. There is a movement of charismatic Catholics as well. NAR is growing at a rate of 9 million per year. Charismatics hold that the manifestations of the Holy Spirit seen in the first century Christian Church are still available today and can be experienced and practiced and that the Holy Ghost has endued them with supernatural gifts such as prophetic utterance, speaking in tongues, casting out demons, breaking down strongholds, healing, and other "signs and wonders" to include bringing dead people back to life, although no documentation exists to prove this claim.

The “High Priest” of NAR is C. Peter Wagner, former professor of Church Growth at Fuller Theological Seminary School of World Mission. Wagner, born in 1930, is the founder of Global Harvest Ministries and the presiding apostle of the International Coalition of Apostles, which he also founded, and co-founder of World Prayer Center.

There is a hierarchy in NAR that resembles the Roman Catholic Church. Once world dominion is accomplished, those at the top level will have apostolic authority over other ministries. Are you seeing the danger yet? This could mean literally thousands of ministries with so-called apostles and prophets at the helm! Every person will have an apostle or prophet to whom they are accountable.

According to one source the coalition includes “several hundred apostles across the U.S. and about 40 nations, international training centers and prayer warrior communication networks in all 50 states and worldwide.”

Some readers are sitting there with their mouths agape, thinking “This smacks of imperialism!” Bingo!

Sarah Leslie of Discernment Ministries has written on this very subject. In her article “Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism” She reveals what the Dominionism teaches. Here is an excerpt:

“The Gospel of Salvation is achieved by setting up the ‘Kingdom of God’ as a literal and physical kingdom to be ‘advanced’ on Earth in the present age. Some dominionists liken the New Testament Kingdom to the Old Testament Israel in ways that justify taking up the sword, or other methods of punitive judgment, to war against enemies of their kingdom. Dominionists teach that men can be coerced or compelled to enter the kingdom. They assign to the Church duties and rights that belong Scripturally only to Jesus Christ. This includes the esoteric belief that believers can ‘incarnate’ Christ and function as His body on Earth to establish His kingdom rule. An inordinate emphasis is placed on man’s efforts; the doctrine of the sovereignty of God is diminished.” http://www.discernment-ministries.org/ChristianImperialism.htm

Any student of the Bible will understand that the type of thinking described above is highly unbiblical. Where in Scripture does it teach that the sheep, as Jesus refers to His followers, will be given the power to incarnate Christ?

Also mentioned in Sarah Leslie’s article is Pastor Rick Warren. She says Warren “intends to amass the world’s largest volunteer ‘army’ of ‘one billion foot soldiers’ to implement his global P.E.A.C.E. Plan.”

On Sunday, April 17, 2005 Speaking before 30,000 at Angel Stadium in Anaheim, Rick Warren announced his plan:

“The bottom line is that we intend to reinvent mission strategy in the 21st century. As I stated, this will be a new Reformation. The First Reformation returned us to the message of the original church. It was a reformation of doctrine – what the church BELIEVES. This Second Reformation will return us to the mission of the original church. It will be a reformation of PURPOSE – what the church DOES in the world.”

“Our goal will be to enlist one billion foot soldiers for the Kingdom of God, who will permanently change the face of international missions to take on these five ‘global giants’ for which the church can become the ultimate distribution and change agent to overcome Spiritual emptiness, Self-serving Leadership, Poverty, disease and ignorance (or illiteracy).”

Pastor Warren also made these comments:

"Who's the man of peace in any village - or it might be a woman of peace - who has the most respect, they're open and they're influential? They don't have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, but they're open and they're influential and you work with them to attack the five giants. And that's going to bring the second Reformation."

"'I see absolutely zero reason in separating my fellowship from anybody," he said. Noting he has theological differences with many of the diverse denominations that invite him to speak, Warren added, "That doesn't stop me from fellowshipping with them." When he heard of the SBC's withdrawal, he added, "I thought, 'This is silly! Why would we separate ourselves from brothers and sisters in the world?'” http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/rw2ndreformation.htm

What Warren is purporting is ecumenicism. Actually, we are moving beyond ecumenicism into interspirituality (interfaith spirituality) or interdenominational cooperation. “In the name of peace and unity,” says Ray Yungen, “the world’s religions are more and more joining together. And with that joining together will come a consensus that it is narrow minded and even hateful to say there is only one way to salvation.”

Peace and unity has a nice ring to it. But traditional, historic, evangelical Christianity holds that there is only one path to God, one door to enter through. Peter left no doubt when he said, “Salvation is found in no one else” (Acts 4:10). (Also see John 3:16, John 6:66-68, John 14:6, Acts 16:30-31, 1 Tim 2:3-6, 1 John 2:1) The Bible clearly teaches that all paths do not lead to God. Those who take a different path will spend eternity in hell. So the loving thing for a committed Christian to do is to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the lost. In fact, Jesus commanded His followers to go out into the world and spread the good news. Those who keep the good news to themselves fail to understand that God gives no second chances. Jesus said, “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Mat. 7:22).

I’ve drifted from my point. Most Christians have no clue that false teachers abound in the Church. And if they’re aware, they’re ignoring it--or they just don’t care! Some may think the Bible teaches that believers must set up a kingdom here on earth to usher in the Second Coming of Christ. But let me assure you, this is extra-biblical teaching.

Christians have got to put up their discernment antenna. We must start probing to see what other Christians believe and then ask ourselves, “Is it scriptural?” There is nothing wrong with examining teaching coming from the pulpit! Paul praised the Bereans for checking his teaching against the Word of God. (Acts 17:11) We must scrutinize Bible teachers, evangelists, missionaries, speakers, writers, politicians, entertainers, health practitioners, bloggers, and look into “Christian” businesses to see what they’re really selling. Anyone can use a Christian symbol or quote Bible verses to make themselves or what they’re selling sound Christian because they know that gullible folks buy into it! Is it any wonder God warns us to be on the lookout for the spirit of error that comes from Satan and his demons? Satan was a liar from the beginning which is why believers have to be armed with the sword of the spirit--the Word of God!

It is imperative that Christians guard (tend to carefully) God’s Word. Deuteronomy 11:17-20:

"Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates…”

When his words are written on our hearts we are not so easily taken in by charlatans, false teachers or enticed into a cult.

Paul admonished Timothy to “keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called” (1 Tim 6:20). In other words, “continue in the simplicity of sincere doctrine.”

Knowing the truth is essential to the faith. Yet neo-evangelicals are inept at protecting biblical truth. Biblical truth is not found in so-called Christians who abandon Church doctrine and rely on what God or so-called angels say to them in visions and dreams. Never, never, never abandon the Bible to follow the teachings of these men and women! Run from those who deny the Deity of Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ is not God, Christianity is a sham.

One last thing. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that we are to treat false teachers with charity and Christian love. In fact we’re taught just the opposite:

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds” (2 John 1:9-11).

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  John .

  Pamela p. said: The person of the Holy Spirit is very important in a born again Christian's life. Therefore that which was spoken by the prophet Joel is vital to a child of God. The bible clearly says " it is not by might nor by power but by my Spirit ". However , there is no room for the focus to shift from Christ Jesus to oneself - this borders on humanism. There is no room for compromise as well - like the acceptance of interfaith. Standing in the gap - intercession is very vital. However the closest thing to God's heart is the soul of a person. " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not persih but have everlasting life. Social justice, taking over governments etc. is of secondary importance. After all righteousness exalts a nation. There can be no righteousness without one turning to the true and living God.

  Hi Pamela
  While the Holy Spirit has a role its prime is to convict us of OUR sin. So once a Christian, its all minor, sins gone, confessed and reformed lifestyle. Litltle need for HS.

  What then? The key is Jesus. Yet we see tongues and babble going on as if the HS is God which he is not.

  This is not of God. He said Go preach and teach.

  We are not to quench the spirit but what is it today? Are we all in sin that much as Christians that we need to have HS and tongues 24/7??? That is not true. Our lifestyles show we have done with the HS and now only sin because we take our eyes of Jesus and prayer to JESUS.

  While people are babbling to a HS in a strange word, well it aint prayer to Jesus and if they need that , it must be a sin laden church.

  We are to look up to Jesus, life up people to Jesus. He says all will be lifted up to Him.

  We don't need to join with the unclean, the other beliefs to lift up Jesus. As Jesus said, let the blind lead the blind.....

  
  

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  John .

  Kenneth B. said: It never fails to amuse me when one group of people who believe in magic, looks down it's nose at another group that simply believes in another kind of magic. Get a grip people, It's all nonsense.

  God created us and gave us a law to live by. Simple as that. He who breaks the law, as you all know makes you feel bad, will have to die and thats the end of sin. So a judgement day exists ,soon, that no man can creep nor sneak by.

  Add in a solution, by sending Jesus, his blood cleanse our record of sins, then we are done, believing in that. Its a system of cleansing.

  Now in Pharaohs time even the magicans tried to copy God's powers and wonders. Today we see the same. Even Steve Jobs, a guy who struggled with God , admitted he could not design a device without a on off button.....there is a designer, a creator, we all have an on off button none of us can really control.

  Jesus is the only way thru that problem and no man has put him aside. The Bible says all will bend the knee to him and confess his name. So try to ignore that truth. Its a matter of choice and that choice will either mark for saving or being lost.

  But in the end everyone will confess Jesus, as the Bible says it.

  Nonsense or whatever, Jesus is the only person who has come and told us the real way. All other paths are nice wide broad ways to destruction ,and if we are truly honest, don't we all know it...drugs, sex, fast cars, gluttony. All medicial sceince proves the bible to be perfect and true.

  God bless, but you are already in His grip. Read Isaiah....

  John

  
  

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  Charles M

  You are so far off it is pathetic. What I am saying is that you, like so many so called apologists and defenders of their beliefs, have said nothing.

  
  

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  dc sarah

  I would rather live in a world based on fact and science and the golden rule. Say excuse me, be kind-rewind, yeild, merge, play nice.

  One tribes god makes no more, nor any less, sense to me than any other. Catholics are renegade Jews. Protestants are..well...protesting Catholics. Muslims are another branch of the same bent tree.

  I have never been religious and I do not understand the impulse toward religion. At least the Jewish tribe has a tradition of wrestling with god...THAT makes sense...taken at scriptural value...it is a very confusing deity..."You are free and immortal. I have made you curious and inquisitive...and I set before you a tree which will give you the knowledge of both good and evil. BUT DON"T TOUCH. It's all yours...EXCEPT FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL TREE that will make you UNDERSTAND...DON'T TOUCH!!" "I am all powerful, all knowing, all understanding and I am never wrong. BUT I AM A JEALOUS GOD. (even tho I am the ONLY god)" "Go forth and multiply...and NO the rules do not change just because you have successfully filled the world with starving, teeming masses who fight OVER GOD all the time. Abortion is bad, capital punishment is cool and war is...well...it works out so well for US." "Love your neighbor...unless she is gay". My personal favorite "The begining of wisdom is fear of god."

  Explains so much.

  on and on and on.

  
  

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  Wayne H.

  Dear Sister Marsha West,

  I've seen alot of negative comments against your article, but I thank GOD for your courage and determination to expose these heresies as I try to do in my own articles. Continue to write the truth, for darkness can only prevail whenever and wherever truth is shut up. In the 10th chapter of John's Gospel, Jesus warns us that His sheep know His voice and the voice of a stranger (or another) they will not follow. Paul warns that in the last days. doctrines of devils would arise. And Paul said that if anyone preached another Gospel or another Jesus other than what he had preached, let them be accursed - these false teachers are already accursedbecause of their lies and demonically influenced heresies - let the sheep of our LORD's pasture hear His voice and His alone.

  
  

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  Wayne H.

  Dear Sister Martha West,

  I've seen alot of negative comments against your article, but I thank GOD for your courage and determination to expose these heresies as I try to do in my own articles. Continue to write the truth, for darkness can only prevail whenever and wherever truth is shut up. In the 10th chapter of John's Gospel, Jesus warns us that His sheep know His voice and the voice of a stranger (or another) they will not follow. Paul warns that in the last days. doctrines of devils would arise. And Paul said that if anyone preached another Gospel or another Jesus other than what he had preached, let them be accursed - these false teachers are already accursedbecause of their lies and demonically influenced heresies - let the sheep of our LORD's pasture hear His voice and His alone.

  
  

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  Pamela p.

  The person of the Holy Spirit is very important in a born again Christian's life. Therefore that which was spoken by the prophet Joel is vital to a child of God. The bible clearly says " it is not by might nor by power but by my Spirit ". However , there is no room for the focus to shift from Christ Jesus to oneself - this borders on humanism.
  There is no room for compromise as well - like the acceptance of interfaith. Standing in the gap - intercession is very vital. However the closest thing to God's heart is the soul of a person. " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not persih but have everlasting life. Social justice, taking over governments etc. is of secondary importance.
  After all righteousness exalts a nation. There can be no righteousness without one turning to the true and living God.

  
  

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  Rev. Bob Liichow

  Dear Carol:
  1) Israel saw miracles DAILY and they ALL died in unbelief. Signs & Wonders are not "signs" of conversion or of faith, Satan and his demons work lying signs and wonders which if possible may DECEIVE the very elect!
  2) The sign of a Christian, doing the work(s) of Jesus is this "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:29).
  3) The New Testament clearly indicates NO end-time revival. It DOES reveal: {a} a great falling away (2 Thess. 2:3)
  {b} the love of MANY growing cold {Matthew 24:12}
  {c} perilous times {2 Tim. 3:2}
  The "form" of religion ---- I guess you guys have the "power" and we poor Lutherans just have the form . . .PLEASE show me your power!! I have worked with Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, and many of today's "apostles" personally ---- the stories I COULD TELL!!! WHAT POWER? Hinn has not had ANYONE receive a miracle under his SINistry! Nor has Copleand, Price, Meyer, Duplantis, Capps, Dollar, Tilton (where I first went to Bible school at WOF), etc...These people are LIARS and FRAUDS and I have proved it -- www.newdiscernment.org time and time again over the last 16 years in print, on radio, television, Bulletin Boars (yeah the BBS days), the internet. I know of what I speak.
  Sincerely, Rev. R. Liichow former Word of Faith heretic, now LCMS Lutheran.

  
  

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  Carol Dickinson

  Yes... but let us NOT deny God's power to do the miraculous in our lives... of course salvation being the first of all... but remember the scripture tells us that the sign of a believer is they have the power to cast out demons, lay hands on the sick and they shall be healed etc.

  Mark 16:17... "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;...
  they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

  Often extreme conservative group leaders such as the Baptist ( and I am mostly Baptist)... these leaders will tell us these gifts have ceased because the Bible tells us they will.. but then tell us "Dear Leaders"...when did they actually cease?

  These church leaders are denying God's power to work in our lives today. Why? Because they themselves do not possess them.

  2 Timothy 3:5... "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." The gifts would more likely cease in heaven.. cause we don't need them there to fight off the attacks of the enemy... even from sickness and demonic oppression or possession.

  We desperately need the Gifts from the Holy Ghost more today than ever before. Not made up gifts like falling on the ground, rolling around and laughinig uncontrollably... but real gifts spoken of as written in our New Testament. But then again... if the Holy Spirit would have us do that... hey... I am not the one to question that. But it is most likely not from God.

  Why are these church watchers so picky... and touchy... about these powerful Gifts from the Holy Spirit, so long as they are coupled with the fruits of the spirit... and ARE being BIblical... they have absolutely no basis for being so stifling of Holy Spirit filled folks. Maybe they need to search their own heart to see if they are truly saved themselves. They seem awefully dry to me. Sort of... going through the motion. Where is their JOY in the HOLY GHOST! Wake up fella's. The world does not revolve around everything you say. You are not God nor ever will be. Wake up. Admit you are wrong. The Gifts still exist today to those who truly believe and trust God in their every day lives!

  IF we don't trust God completely.. even in the area of the Gifts... we can never be truly filled with the Holy Spirit nor His joy and peace!!!

  Romans 4:17... "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

  Yes... test the spirits... but don't stifle the Holy Spirit!

  Jesus said..."Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12

  Much Love in Christ Always,
  Carol Dickinson

  Houston, TX
  U.S.A
  Earth
  and hopefully one day... HEAVEN! HALLELUIA!!!! AMEN & AMEN!!!

  JUST PRAISE GOD TODAY WITH ALL YOUR HEART... ALL BY YOURSELF... IN YOUR HOUSE... ALL ALONE... OH... I THINK GOD LOVES THIS. Its the same as when we go into our closet to pray... well actually... it is just my room... but no one is around... so this is were we know we don't need the approval of men... just to love on God by getting into His Word, Praying and Praising Him with all your heart.

  YOU can DO IT!

  BLESS THE LORD TODAY... YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT!

  And when you are at church... LIFT those holy hands unto the Lord as the Bible tells us to do. Don't worry if people are looking... hope they are though... it will show them... if you are not scared... they need not be also. Yippie!!!@##$(%$#(% PRAISE THE LORD!

  DO YOU HAVE BREATH IN YOU.... GOOD... THEN PRAISE THE LORD! :)

  IT'S A SACRIFICE OF PRAISE... WHEN YOU SACRIFICE LOOKING LIKE A FOOL RAISING YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR ... AND SINGING WITH ALL YOUR HEART.

  IF NOT... MAYBE THE ROCKS WILL HAVE TO CRY OUT.

  LET US NOT BE SECOND PLACE TO THE ROCKS!

  JUST SHUT YOUR EYES AND SHOUT TO THE LORD... SING A NEW SONG... RELEASE THE LOVE FOR HIM THAT HAS BEEN BUSTING TO GET OUT. YOU WILL FEEL A LOT BETTER... FOR THE WORD SAYS.... "GOD INHABITS THE PRAISES OF HIS PEOPLE." AND "THE JOY OF THE LORD IS MY STRENGH."

  HALLELUIA!!!!!

  "KISS THE SON, LEST HE BE ANGRY". "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him." Psalm 2:12

  GOD IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  
  

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  gene bukowski

  Nathan said: Given the choice between a secular liberal society, and a heretical theocracy, give me the secular liberal one. Note: This is exactly the worldview of your average Arab or Indian Christian.

  you are absent of rational thinking

  
  

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  Kenneth B.

  It never fails to amuse me when one group of people who believe in magic, looks down it's nose at another group that simply believes in another kind of magic. Get a grip people, It's all nonsense.

  
  

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  Thomas I.

  Wish Jesus could come back. It'd be amusing to see him get all red-faced and shout "that's not what I meant!" It's funny that there are billions of words about little odd points of speech in the gospel, but most Christians don't practice the important stuff, like compassion and a life where belongings don't own the owner. The Son of Man had nothing but rocks for his pillow. He was a vagabond, a hobo who travelled about trying to convince people to look first to compassion and gentleness and that the rest would take care of itself. Jesus's life is a life wasted on his followers.

  
  

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  Richard O.

  If it's not Catholicism, it's almost entirely false. The Pope declared that there is only one Church and that is the Catholic Church. The other "churches," regardless what they call themselves, are no more than "faith communities" and can claim to be preaching the truth only to the extent that what they proclaim is in line with Catholc truth.

  So the article and comments are much ado about nothing.

  
  

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  Nathan

  Given the choice between a secular liberal society, and a heretical theocracy, give me the secular liberal one. Note: This is exactly the worldview of your average Arab or Indian Christian.

  
  

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  J.C.

  “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
  -Stop throwing rocks

  “The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.”
  -You speak ill of many

  “For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
  -Stop glorifying your anger

  You are not one with Christ. You must reevaluate. You do nothing in line with the teachings of Christ.

  
  

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  Katy E

  Please stop sewing political hate in the name of Christ.

  
  

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  Tristan

  Jim G said: Wes, you answered nothing regarding the substance of the article. The gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified and resurrected can not be underestimated. You have a lot of "I" in your comment, and a picture of someone willing to shake a fist at God and His scriptures. Judeo Christian domination, by your definition sounds alot like conversion by the sword. By confession, "you" are the head and not the tail. Yikes! Beware of vein philosophies that have no scriptural basis. By replacing the literal definition of Israel with a spiritual one in the new testament, you inherantly justify prejudice against the Jewish people. Replacement theology and the emergent ecumenical movement is fomenting the justification of anti-semitism. More ungodly things were done to the Jewish people in the name of Christ than have been done to any other people in the history of the world by way of allegory and misinterpretation of God's separate plan for the Jews. Remember, Reformed/covenant theology places the primary focus on humanity, and that history's ultimate purpose is man's salvation. Dispensational theology contends the ultimate pupose is God's glorification. God certainly gets glory through salvation, but without the glorification and focus on man. Instead, God's glorification places it on God and He will do what glorifies Him the most. By restoring Israel, He will sanctify His great name. He also tells us that His covenant that gives Israel-the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -the land of promise, will last forever. Ps. 105:7-11. Please do not misinterpret scripture to fit your philosophy. Be careful not to align yourself with the anti Israel anti Jewish thinking prevalent in Islam, in which you rightly reject. For the author of Anti semitism in Islam and in the church, is one in the same, that is Satan.

  Jim,
  I'm dead set against the NAR and other related movements that are basically Satan's injections into the Church. As a born again Christian with the Word of God as my backing I have a question about part of your comment.

  RE:
  Reformed/covenant theology places the primary focus on humanity, and that history's ultimate purpose is man's salvation. Dispensational theology contends the ultimate purpose is God's glorification. God certainly gets glory through salvation, but without the glorification and focus on man. Instead, God's glorification places it on God and He will do what glorifies Him the most. By restoring Israel, He will sanctify His great name.

  I've always (and always will) think that our primary goal as Christians is to get others saved. To spread the Good News. I think it is God's intentions that the whole world gets saved (although that's not going to happen as per prophetic words in the scriptures).

  It just sounds like your saying that getting people saved is more important that glorifying God. I think the two are tantamount! With no "but's".

  Can you be more clear on what you mean here? I'm just questioning.

  
  

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  Jim G

  Wes, you answered nothing regarding the substance of the article. The gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified and resurrected can not be underestimated. You have a lot of "I" in your comment, and a picture of someone willing to shake a fist at God and His scriptures. Judeo Christian domination, by your definition sounds alot like conversion by the sword. By confession, "you" are the head and not the tail. Yikes! Beware of vein philosophies that have no scriptural basis. By replacing the literal definition of Israel with a spiritual one in the new testament, you inherantly justify prejudice against the Jewish people. Replacement theology and the emergent ecumenical movement is fomenting the justification of anti-semitism. More ungodly things were done to the Jewish people in the name of Christ than have been done to any other people in the history of the world by way of allegory and misinterpretation of God's separate plan for the Jews. Remember, Reformed/covenant theology places the primary focus on humanity, and that history's ultimate purpose is man's salvation. Dispensational theology contends the ultimate pupose is God's glorification. God certainly gets glory through salvation, but without the glorification and focus on man. Instead, God's glorification places it on God and He will do what glorifies Him the most. By restoring Israel, He will sanctify His great name. He also tells us that His covenant that gives Israel-the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -the land of promise, will last forever. Ps. 105:7-11. Please do not misinterpret scripture to fit your philosophy. Be careful not to align yourself with the anti Israel anti Jewish thinking prevalent in Islam, in which you rightly reject. For the author of Anti semitism in Islam and in the church, is one in the same, that is Satan.

  
  

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  wes w.

  I guess you would rather see sharia and Muslim domination. would you like to be a Dhimmi, how much Jizya will you pay, are you falling for Taqiyya and Kitman. I'd rather take Judeo-Christian domination. I have prayed Psalm 83. I will also pay in the Spirit and with understanding. I will confess I am the head and not the tail. I'm on the top and not the bottom. The gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church. We are supposed to be a church that is power and not word only. Sorry not sitting around waiting for the rapture. I'll be salt and light. You need to look at the verse that support the stuff you are against. I think you are not taking the whole council of God. Yes we see dimly but all things have not been fulfilled and it has not been done away with. Surely more will be saved and the Gospel has not reached every person. Unlike the Muslims you can only accept Christ by free will and God separates the wheat and the tares.

  
  

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